Eugene Sims and “Amelia Earhart’s Ghost,” Part 2

When I put together the previous post about Eugene Sims and his “ghost of Amelia Earhart” photo, I had no idea what I was stepping into, nor did Sims when he took the photo of the cell at the old Garapan prison on Saipan in 1973. While the figure Sims thought could have been Amelia’s ghost was apparently only a trick of the lighting within the cell, the rest of the photo has opened up a Pandora’s Box of possibilities, thanks to my friend Laurel Blyth Tague Ph.D.

After beholding what Laurel’s discerning eye had revealed, I was ready to title this post “Welcome to the Amelia Earhart Paranormal Society,” but then realized that might be a bit too far out on the “fringe,” where our critics like to keep us. Admittedly, this and the previous post are complete departures from our normal menu of serious discussion of the Earhart disappearance, but after more than 70 such posts since July 2012, I don’t think a brief journey into the paranormal will hurt the cause appreciably. 

Laurel is the New York State director, host and managing producer for E.P.I.C. Voyagers Radio on the Inception Radio Network. I’ve had the privilege and pleasure of appearing twice with Laurel on her two-hour E.P.I.C. Voyagers weekly show, and she was the best-prepared, most intelligent and considerate radio host I’ve ever met. She’s also a trained observer of phantoms, or phantasms, or however these faces that appear in photos of allegedly haunted places can be described.

Laurel Blyth Tague Ph.D., has indicated with red boxes and circles the locations of faces that can be seen in the Eugene SIms 1973 photo of Garapan prison. Laurel explains the the image Sims thought might have been Amelia's ghost as a mere trick of light, but these other phantoms are less easily explained. Considering that Garapan prison, with its history of ghastly tortures, murders and unimaginable pain, is the kind of place that is known throughout history as most likely to be haunted, these images are not surprising.
Laurel Blyth Tague, Ph.D., has indicated with red boxes and circles the locations of faces that can be seen in the Eugene Sims’ 1973 photo of Garapan prison. Laurel explains the image Sims thought might have been Amelia’s ghost as a mere trick of light. But what do we call these faces, and from where do they come? Considering that Garapan prison, with its history of torture, murders and unimaginable pain is the kind of place known throughout history as most likely to be haunted, these images are not surprising. “A” is top circle, “B” and “C” are center boxes, “D,” E,” and “F” are boxes at left, and “G” is circle at right. (Photo copyright Eugene Sims, all rights reserved.)

I’ve seen similar faces on a website or possibly a book, but can’t find them now.  I suggested to Laurel that these wraith-like faces are to photography what electronic voice phenomena, commonly known as EVP, are to audio recording. She agreed, and isolated the individual faces she found in the photos, writing a brief description of each. Most I can recognize, but some are beyond me. Forthwith is the great presentation Laurel put together; I hope you like it half as much as I do. 

Dr. Laurel Blyth Tague:

Definitely EVPs are the gold standard of paranormal research: recorded voices saying things that make sense relative to the location and its history that are not noticed or heard by people at the time these utterances are collected digitally or on cassette tape. Only after later analysis – very careful and concerted attention to the entire audio – are these utterances heard. The ones I have heard from researchers are startling, both in terms of clarity and topic.

My logic tells me that making a sound or noise or uttering words might require far less energy from “that other dimension” (for lack of a common expression) than moving anything in this 3D dimension. I see manifesting an image or a wispy, smoky haze as somewhere between these two ways to communicate in terms of difficulty.  

Head tilted downward, eyes also looking downward, eyelids mostly closed. Expression melancholy. Right side of nose in light, tip prominent by shadow beneath and to left. Lips slightly compressed, two lips visible.
Head tilted downward, eyes also looking downward, eyelids mostly closed. Expression melancholy. Right side of nose in light, tip prominent by shadow beneath and to left. Lips slightly compressed, two lips visible.

guess I should throw in the insertion of smells and thoughts (often reported), especially when a close relative or friend passes. These I would place a little easier on the scale of ghostly talent than even creating audio evidence. In fact, I think that these four types of evidence are collected on a scale of frequency in the same order: thoughts and smells, sounds and words, images and hazes, moving or relocated objects.

What we present here for your consideration is simply meant as food for thought, at the very least entertainment. When I read Mike’s most recent blog Eugene C. Sims and the “Ghost of Amelia Earhart”, I stared and stared at the photo and thought Sims must have been pointing to the highly lit feature in the middle of the central doorway, consisting of two parallel vertical lines and topped by what could be horizontal shoulders and a skull. I thought, no, this is just too easy – that has to be the way the light is shining into the cell through the jungle foliage. 

Head tilted up and to right slightly. Eyes open, left eye in shade. Nose prominent by light, nostrils shaded. Mouth in relaxed expression Chin beneath mouth, shadows on neck beneath chin. Dark fabric visible coming off left shoulder sets off neckline.
Head tilted up and to right slightly. Eyes open, left eye in shade. Nose prominent by light, nostrils shaded. Mouth in relaxed expression Chin beneath mouth, shadows on neck beneath chin. Dark fabric visible coming off left shoulder sets off neckline.

This tendency for humans to perceive scant visual stimuli and then attribute meaning to them has long been one very handy survival skill in our evolutionary toolkits. Granted, sometimes we may read too much into what we see. Nowadays the paranormal investigation community strongly warns fledgling researchers against matrixing. 

Surprisingly to me, Wikipedia actually has an interesting page dedicated to pareidolia, a less common term than matrixing, but with a more dignified and relevant etymology:  from the Greek para-, meaning, in this context, “something faulty or wrong” (for example, paraphasia: “disordered speech”) and eidolon (1828),“ a ghostly image or phantom.”

head tileted downward, eyes looking down, heavy eyelids. Nose prominent by light, face more shaded on left side. Right cheek accentuated by light. Both lips visible,slightly parted and slightly pursed Contour of face from cheek to chin visible on right side just to right of lower lip. Lighter feature below lips and chin suggests a left hand holding a cigarette, her expression suggesting she is getting a light from someone. Tip of cigarette visible near bottom center of image.
Head tilted downward, eyes looking down, heavy eyelids. Nose prominent by light, face more shaded on left side. Right cheek accentuated by light. Both lips visible,slightly parted and slightly pursed Contour of face from cheek to chin visible on right side just to right of lower lip. Lighter feature below lips and chin suggests a left hand holding a cigarette, her expression suggesting she is getting a light from someone. Tip of cigarette visible near bottom center of image.

Pareidolia is the imagined perception of a pattern or meaning where it does not actually exist, as in considering the moon to have human features.  Devotees of paranormal investigation have come to use the term matrixing to mean much the same when referring to the observation and interpretation of specifically visual information.

What is interesting to me is the implication inherent in this definition that whatever we think we are seeing is not really there: in other words, we are making it up by our interpretation, foisting upon the image qualities it does not truly have. There is almost the connotation that we are trying to fool others by stating what we see in the image, or at the very least we are demonstrating publicly that we are gullible fools.

Another option, putting both B and C together as a whole image. Below the face described in B, the image from C now suggests her upper torso, dark leather?] jacket open in font with lighter color shirt open at neck, or lighter color ascot or scarf tied at neck and tucked in. If Amelia ever smoked a pipe, it could explain the dark linear object protruding from her mouth. Many women did/do.
Another option, putting both B and C together as a whole image. Below the face described in B, the image from C now suggests her upper torso, dark [leather?] jacket open in font with lighter color shirt open at neck, or lighter color ascot or scarf tied at neck and tucked in. If Amelia ever smoked a pipe, it could explain the dark linear object protruding from her mouth. Many women did/do.

Well, I can think of examples of certain individuals involved in researching Earhart’s final demise who might well be described in this way.

So I saved the [Eugene C. Sims] image and opened it in a couple different apps I use to enlarge images and study them in greater detail. Immediately I saw that what appeared to be long, skeletal legs are indeed bamboo stalks or some other kind of flora, and that skull is just a big leaf. I laughed to myself, remembering one of my favorite Peanuts strips ever, where Linus, Lucy, and Charlie Brown are looking at clouds and telling each other what they resemble.

Notice the goggles above the face, on the front top of head; two brows, eyes in shadow beneath, slight smile; looking over right shoulder.
Notice the goggles above the face, on the front top of head; two brows, eyes in shadow beneath, slight smile; looking over right shoulder.

I thought, before I closed my app, I would poke around and look a bit, just to see if I noticed anything resembling a face or person, especially those of a female. I noticed three female faces almost within mere seconds and managed to find three more after really scouring over the image. I prepared little guidelines next to each extracted image I found, explaining what I saw, hoping to help someone else see what I did.

After emailing these to Mike and a couple other close friends (“open-minded” friends, I might add), one of them came back with a seventh woman’s face! What we present here are these extracted images with additional pointers to help with locating them in the larger image. 

Head tilted up and to right. Right eye looking upward slightly, brow above. Nose tip below, strong shadow beneath to upper left of mouth. Mouth below. two full lips visible, in a relaxed posture. Strong shin below lips.
Head tilted up and to right. Right eye looking upward slightly, brow above. Nose tip below, strong shadow beneath to upper left of mouth. Mouth below. two full lips visible, in a relaxed posture. Strong chin below lips.

At least some of these faces will stubbornly refuse to materialize for some of you. These details are best recognized at a certain resolution — too enlarged and it just looks like a gray mulch, too reduced and it looks like a more linear gray mulch. Viewers should play with zooming in and out by bits until the image pops out at them. The images here are at the best resolution for me. 

I am fiercely intellectually curious and open-minded but I would not say gullible. There are many things in this world that are not yet resolved or explained fully, because all the facts are not on the table and in many cases adequate technology or methodology are lacking.

One reader here asked why Amelia would haunt a location so completely imbued with agony and grief for her, to which another reader answered perhaps she is merely making her mark on this image at this blog, a place where we continue to question and dig and discuss until her true fate has been demonstrated and accepted by the public. This sounds to me like a plausible answer, and I hope each of you finds these images and comments at the very least thought-provoking and entertaining.

 

Head leaning to left. Face slender, eyes shut. Hair over right eye, covering it. Left nostril darkly shaded and prominent. Mouth looks open, agape, as if snoring in sleep. Right contour of chin visible and part of neck. Lighter feature below face in lower right portion of image could be arm, hand or something like a pillow on which the head is resting. Reminiscent of a death portrait.
Head leaning to left. Face slender, eyes shut. Hair over right eye, covering it. Left nostril darkly shaded and prominent. Mouth looks open, agape, as if snoring in sleep. Right contour of chin visible and part of neck. Lighter feature below face in lower right portion of image could be arm, hand or something like a pillow on which the head is resting. Reminiscent of a death portrait.

Every now and then I see a photo and – if I can assume it’s legitimate and not doctored – it is probably even more stunning to me. I never expect/demand that the image matches a pose from a photograph of the person.

This seems ridiculously pedantic and artificial to me – what of all the people who died before photography and were later seen as ghosts? How does a dead person select the exact photo s/he wants to use as the calling card in these instances? Not to mention, doesn’t it make more sense that a ghostly image in a photo that does match an old photo of that person, stands a better chance to have been technologically superimposed on the newer photo?

So it does not bother me that I do not see Amelia’s face, as in press photos, in these. The one with what I see to be goggles on her head is impressive to me.

(By the way, do any of you know of research funding streams to send a number of amateur ghost hunters researchers to Saipan to conduct research at this location? Just curious.) (End of Laurel Blyth Tague’s analysis; sincere thanks to Laurel for a great job.)

Profile of face looking toward left of image. Forehead, beneath that brow and skin area above eyelid. Eye is half open, looking straight ahead. Cheek prominent by light, compared to shadow alongside the nose. Nose is somewhat short but straight. Two lips and chin toward bottom half of image.
Profile of face looking toward left of image. Forehead, beneath that brow and skin area above eyelid. Eye is half open, looking straight ahead. Cheek prominent by light, compared to shadow alongside the nose. Nose is somewhat short but straight. Two lips and chin toward bottom half of image.

Laurel sent the images to a well-known paranormal “expert” for his opinion, and he told her that this phenomenon is known as simulacrum, meaning “something looks like something it isn’t. Sort of the same thing as figures in clouds, etc.” He didn’t seem impressed, but since I’m not a paranormal expert, I’m free to reject the idea that these images can  be attributed to pareidolia, matrixing or even this fancy simulacrum term, which I consider to be a dodge.

If we’re seeing something “that doesn’t exist,” why are we seeing the same things in these photos? I think B+C looks a lot like Amelia, for example. And why do these faces appear almost exclusively in photos of notoriously haunted locations?

I think these faces might be those of discarnate or disembodied  entities trapped between planes of existence, between heaven and earth, so to speak, who for whatever reason cannot move on into the light — or the darkness, if that’s their destiny. Or could these some kind of lower-level demonic entities, lingering in a location renowned for evil doings, seeking new hosts or victims to torment?

How do you explain this, readers? What do you think? Let us hear from you!

 

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34 responses

  1. Entertaining post, with truth! Keeping things light opens up conversation.
    There are probably plenty of victims stuck there, confused. I don’t think any of them could be AE. She had purpose and forward motion. The type who would say what’s going on here, gonna find out.
    Opinion only.

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  2. Too deep for me. Not a scientist or photo analyst. Of course, do spirits get dressed up to be “visualized” in the future? Amelia wasn’t wearing goggles on the leg to Howland. Wasn’t on her load list, More likely, was wearing sunglasses flying into the sun that morning, but we’ll never know.

    And, as bad as the jail on Saipan was, you would have photos galore of spirits in the Katyn Forest in Poland, the former Nazi Concentration Camps, on the Bataan Death March route and the Cabanatuan POW Camp in the Philippines, the beach on Wake Island where 98 POWs were bound and executed, and, of course, Siberia.

    But…if someone else see it, far be it from me to judge. My only questions would be, “Only one image ? And that jail has been photographed hundreds of times since the 60’s??”

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  3. The Great Houdini,on the act of Death,promised to return.So far,has not happened, most likely will not occur. This is a situation where “Just the facts, Maa’am” rule the investigation. Although a lot of testimony prevails, and good solid testimony, only unlocking the Govermental files and revealing the TRUTH is the answer, and that probably will never happen. I have flown 21:55 missions and well know how tired one can become. Decisions are to be well thought out and are sometimes difficult to come by. AE was clearly very tired,confused,and the only desire was to place She and Noonan on solid ground, WHEREVER it might be. You gotta analyze her emotional self.

    As I mentioned a Marine Lt Col told me he was there at the burning of her plane and AL:L personnel were told not to speak of this event.Some have! Don Cox

    *Donald Cox*

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    1. Don:
      Who was the Colonel ????
      Vernon

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  4. What about the LARGE face & head of Amelia – centrally located in the door way? I can see the mouth/lips at bottom of doorway, side of nose in center of doorway, eyes on the outside of side doorway and the hair above the top of doorway. That caught my attention immediately or the first time I viewed this photo. Yes – I do see all the other faces as the circle’s show. AMAZING photograph taken in ’73 and her imprisonment in ’37. (She sure shows herself in this photo) I wouldn’t say she’s a trapped spirit, but rather showing us, where she was confined.
    Thanks – Laurel & Mike

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  5. Don –
    I agree with your thoughts about Amelia being TIRED after that many hours of flight. EXHAUSTED is probably a better word.
    Marines told not to talk about the destruction/burning of the Electra.

    How about we all stop speaking of FDR, Hillary Clinton, Ric Gillespie, Fox News, tv networks and sweep them under the rug. They’re all joined at the hip in the secrecy & lies. There should be a black out on them. It’s DISGUSTING how they continue in their CHARADE.

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  6. She appears like an *ANGEL in the light.

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  7. Mike,
    I thought this would be a good entry of your blog in which to comment as it mentions “Pareidolia”. I’ve been suspected by many as suffering from the affliction. Nonetheless, there is the Orona image on which most of the Orona/Saipan theory of disappearance is based. You and others are invited to review the pages related to the theory and interpret the image at aquariusradar.com/OronaSaipanTheory.htm. You can use Google Earth to view the aircraft location up close so you would not be concerned by a doctored image (by me?). Note that the Orona theory supports the major tenants of the Saipan theory- Amelia was on Saipan-USMC Wallack did find her briefcase- USMC Ford did see a L10 Electra at Alsito. The major difference in Orona and some versions of the Saipan theory is that there is no major cover-up by the US Government- with regard to Earhart on Saipan. There are embarrassments related to pre-war military capable sales and to the world flight communications and guidance the US might want to conceal. The real villains are of course the pre-war pro-Axis militants of the Japanese army who took her captive and concealed that fact from the US.

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  8. Tom –

    That is not Amelia’s Lockheed Electra or that radar image of a plane on the ocean floor presented by this Aquariusradar.com.

    The article itself is LaUghAbLe – Amelia Earhart firing a revolver across the bow of their life raft and Japanese Submarine & sailors peppering the Lockheed Electra with bullets. Who cooked this one up? I thought I was reading an Ian Fleming novel.

    You can’t be SERIOUS?

    Thanks for the LaUgH.
    Doug

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    1. Doug,

      I am glad you got a laugh. At the head of the page(s), I make it clear and that it’s all conjecture and speculation. The crux of most Earhart disappearance theories are in fact almost all conjecture. Earhart died on Saipan- that’s conjecture. I can create any scenario I please and be just as accurate. No Earhart remains have been found on Saipan and no Electra has been found on the bottom of the lagoon at Orona so both are equally unfounded.

      If the investigative process is to move forward, we must speculate as to what actually happened in order to determine where best to look next. I can’t find a speculative path to the discovery of Amelia Earhart’s remains on Saipan. I do have a path to the discovery of the Electra’s location. I hope to continue this discussion with you. Tom

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  9. Perhaps portions of the the Aquarius-Orona Theory are speculative, and why not ? Until someone locates an authentic Electra component, or turns up skeletal remains which CAN be identified, every theory is speculative….every theory.

    As far as spectral images and ghosts are concerned, I am of the opinion that the lens need cleaning. If you believe in such, I respect your beliefs. But, I really think 1944-45, when Saipan was flooded with Marines and Army personnel, would have been a far better time for Amelia to make an appearance,,,,,,,,,

    Back to Orona: The Aquarius navigation aspects make a great deal of sense. Earhart was strong willed. Stubborn. I could see her ignoring Noonan’s instructions, recommendations, advice, pleas……,

    And the idea of Imperial Navy submarines is worthy of review, though not in any order:

    – They can refuel in the Mandates. Longer range.
    – Earhart’s flying at night. They can surface and monitor her radio activity. “Ease Drop”.
    – Several could have been spotted well in advance of her Lae takeoff. “Tracking”.
    – The Electra could have sunk on it’s own, or have been deliberately scuttled by the Japanese. Without searching, you’ll never know.
    – And, without any of us ever knowing for sure, Amelia could have thought a Japanese landing party were rescuers. And why not ? And Amelia spoke Japanese…..
    – They knew there was only one American naval vessel in the Eastern Pacific- The Itaska. Makes the odds of non-detection exceptionally favorable.

    And remember, 2 or three months later, the Japanese invaded China. So,,,makes sense that they would want to monitor American ( and perhaps even British ) naval activity during that three month period. What better way than through the utilization of submarines.

    Ghosts? Spectral Images ? Disturbed spirits ? I would think Amelia in the afterlife is exceptionally happy that she warrants such visibility and popularity 78 years later, and that millions of dollars are still spent on attempting to solve her disappearance.

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  10. Tom –
    The PATH to Amelia Earhart’s imprisonment, torture & death on Saipan, is clearly spelled out in Mike Campbell’s book, The Truth at Last. Why so many of you’s continue to question & doubt the truth, is B E Y O N D me? READ – LEARN – EDUCATE yourselves with this material which has been proven as *FACT…………………………
    The Lockheed Electra was bulldozed into the ground on Saipan and covered over. Permits will not be issued to dig in that area.
    Burks, Henson & Griswald unearthed remains in ’44 and put into canister and shipped back to the U.S.
    You’s JUST DON’T GET IT, do you’s? Naval Intelligence confiscated everything the soldiers had found on Saipan and were told to not speak of it…………………………………….
    The Lockheed Electra – burned & bulldozed, remains unearthed, personal items of Amelia & Fred confiscated, soldiers warned to KEEP QUIET or ELSE themselves would be in serious trouble.
    How clearer can it be explained? Doubting Thomas??????
    Doug

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  11. Interesting. What Naval Intelligence Units were on Saipan in ’44 ?

    The Canister: Has it ever been located ?

    What’s the trail of the confiscated items? Still extant ?

    Did any physical harm come to former soldiers and Marines and natives who did tell their story ?

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  12. Doug,
    If you will review my opening comment (to Mike) you will find that I agree with many of the elements of the Saipan theory. You seem to think that my ideas are an attempt to undermine the Saipan investigations. I simply put forward a different spin on the how and why AE and FN arrived on Saipan. This is a complex story with dozens of interlocking events and Mike can’t be 100% on everything. Don’t be like the followers at tigher and put the blinders on after takeoff. Some course changes are sometimes necessary if the evidence points in a new direction. Tom

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  13. One can find most any image in photos,…my mom told me watch the clouds and see what images you can seem to see,….well lots , did develop,…..,j ust looked at the image briefly and canI see an image of a cat face just to the right of the top square box.

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  14. Doubting Vernon & Thomas?? It’s not a complex story to me. I believe in the *TRUTH and the *F*A*C*T*S as they have been presented in Mike Campbell’s book…………………………………….

    Who do you THINK destroyed the plane? It wasn’t the Japanese and they didn’t pepper the Lockheed Electra with bullets. How about the U.S. Government’s longstanding policy of denial & deceit in the Earhart disappearance – INTELLIGENCE –
    WAKE – UP gentlemen – WAKE -UP!

    Trail of the confiscated items, the government isn’t about to divulge that [information]. What a silly question! The government discredits ALL INFORMATION that places Earhart on Saipan as does today’s media. WHY do you think TIGHAR/Gillespie is always receiving the media’s attention and not Mike Campbell? COME ON GUYS – if you can’t see the CHARADE for what it continues to be, you may as well be apart of it………………………………………………..

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  15. Bullfrog –

    This photo is genuine and one of the faces looks like Amelia, but I do believe she’s in heaven and not haunting this jail, though she might return now and again. You would have to be BLIND not to see them? This is where she was held prisoner by the Japanese and died.

    A local student from the area where I live, journeyed with her high school class to Germany and they visited this Auschwitz prisoner camp/crematory. She took a photo of one of the crematories and once it was developed – there was the appearance of *apparition standing directly in front of the crematory door of this oven. It was published in our local newspaper and it looked like the image of a person. These are *REAL and not some clouded fog inside the film that was developed.

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  16. Doug:
    These are simply statements without foundation on your part. Mr. Maxwell has an alternate researched theory. Mike has a researched theory as well. Find the Electra on Saipan and Mike is correct. Find it in Orona lagoon and Tom is correct. The bottom line in “who” is correct is to find PHYSICAL EARHART, AND / OR EARHART-RELATED EVIDENCE.

    If this is not a complex story to you, others would have had the answer and published decades ago. The media chases after news that captures ratings, both on TV and in print. That’s capitalism – Profit and Loss. Nothing more. Most news articles are half-assed on facts and the public doesn’t care. The news is shortly thereafter forgotten in today’s society. Agree ?? Disagree?

    Now……TIGHAR

    Gillespie knows how to work the public and the press. Despite continued failed expeditions, he is a master at it still…… That….is a fact. No tangible evidence as of 2015. Yet, after a quarter century plus of “zero results” his name is commonplace in the Earhart saga.

    Orona / Hull

    Mr. Maxwell’s hypothetical scenario was just that- hypothetical. Conjured events leading up to their capture by the Japanese Navy, or: ” Make Believe” or ” Imagine, if you will”… Perhaps the Electra could not be salvaged from Orona Lagoon, if it ditched there.

    All the witness statements in the world could not conclusively prove that Earhart;s Electra was destroyed and buried on Saipan. Recovery of one identifiable part does. So you “PUSH” TO HAVE THAT X MARK ON THE MAP EXCAVATED. What is the reason for denial of permits ?? How does one appeal ? Who wants to appeal ? Who is willing to pay the price for failure if the “X” spot turns up empty? How many types of Japanese aircraft based on Saipan resembled the Electra ? How many were burned, or bulldozed to make way for reconstruction of the airfield?

    The Trail / Mili

    Dick Spink has uncovered some fascinating pieces of an unknown aircraft. If they can be identified, proof positive, as having come from Earhart’s Electra, then it’s a “win-win” for the Saipan theorists. But, it has to be beyond a doubt. Certified by disinterested third party experts. Anything less, and it will resemble TIGHAR claims.

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  17. Doug,
    I”d like to discuss the aircraft at ALSITO Field. Is there a better thread or blog post where that is the principal subject?

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  18. Tom –
    With all due *RESPECT, I understand you want to see actual, visible, tangible pieces & parts of the Lockheed Electra. As we all know, Dick Spink & his friends StUmBLeD upon some and they are being tested by Alcoa. Dick Spink & Les Kinney were recently out there at the Eureka Islands/Barre Islands and investigating.

    From what I have read & learned reading Thomas Devine’s 1987 Book – [EYEWITNESS/The Amelia Earhart Incident] he saw the Lockheed Electra with his own two eyes. Upon arrival, Lieutenant Liebig requisitioned a jeep and ordered me to drive him to recently -captured Aslito Field. Enroute an MP intercepted our jeep. “You can’t approach Aslito Field from this direction,” he said. “We have orders to report here.” Liebig explained. I pulled the jeep alongside the hanger, out of the way, and accompanied Liebig as he walked towards the officers. When Liebig asked the Marine guards where he should report, the man in a white shirt stepped forward with his arms raised. “This is off-limits!” he warned.

    He suggested that Liebig report inside the administration building, which he did, while I waited outside. When he was out of earshot, an angry Marine officer yelled to the man in the white shirt, “what do you mean it’s off-limits? We know Earhart’s plane is in there! What are you trying to pull? Our men laid lives on the line, and now they don’t get credit for finding the plane!”

    Tom wrote down the Electra’s idenitifcation number – NR 16020 – which was barely discernible under the left wing. The inscription “Hamilton Standard” was on the propeller. The plane was made of dull aluminum, probably faded as a result of pitting.

    As you can clearly see, this was an *INTELLIGENCE MISSION and one to conceal, hide, destroy all evidence of the Lockheed Electra’s presence on Saipan.

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  19. Vernon –

    Of course these pieces that were found are being tested and HOPEFULLY will be connected to Amelia’s plane. As we all wait for the results. You continue questioning the plane’s where abouts?

    As Thom Devine explained he must have arrived during the final preparations to dispose of Amelia Earhart’s plane. Apparently the fuel in the GI cans was to be added to the plane’s fuel tanks. I believe the original plan was to ditch the plane at sea when night fell, but with a flat tire, or possibly the presence of Anderson and Devine at Aslito Field, so delayed the plan that fuel was simply poured on the plane and ignited to destroy the plane’s identity.

    Undoubtedly the bandolier of ammunition carried by the man in the white shirt was put aboard one of the two fighter planes idling on the field and was fired into the NR-16020 to ignite the blaze, as we heard shots immediately before the explosion. The ensuing fire completely obliterated the identity of “Amelia Earhart’s plane,” although the plane itself was not cremated. The charred framework of the plane was still there, but replacement troops arriving on Saipan thought it was an odd-ball Japanese model which had been destroyed during the invasion. Incoming GI’s stripped off bits of aluminum from the wreckage for sounvineers.

    I HOPE this answers your question.

    Doug

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  20. When something bad or unfortunate happens to us, do we not wish it never occurred, erased from our memory, forget it ever happened? Was this not the case between FDR/Intelligence & Amelia Earhart and the last 78 years of the *TRUTH being suppressed? I think so.

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  21. And Lt. Liebig didn’t go back to his Naval Commander, Captain, and / or Admiral for clarification, written orders, armed guard ?

    And, “By the way ! This was WWII ! “. Are you going to tell me that Marine Officer, a COMBAT MARINE OFFICER, wouldn’t have cold cocked “Mr. White Shirt”, laying him out on the ground ????

    And nobody asked “Mr. White Shirt” the magical question: ” On who’s authority is it off limits?” and “Show me in writing ! ” ?

    So everyone sheepishly left………

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  22. Doug,

    I am confused by Devine’s description of the incident. The man in the white shirt stepped forward to say “off limits” yet Devine was still able to see into the hanger and see the identification? Couldn’t the other marines nearby see into the hanger as well? Why did Devine describe the plane as dull aluminum when the forward surfaces of wings and tail of Amelia’s plane were a bold red? He must have had acute vision to barely make out the large lettering of the identification under the wing but still be able to see the much smaller manufacturer’s propeller marking. USMC Ford described the aircraft he saw as the same as Amelia’s “..with two windows toward the rear”. But Amelia’s airplane had but one window when it left the US. The Miami departure photos show but one window. The point I want to make is that Devine and others did see an Electra L10?, but it wasn’t Amelia’s. It was a look-a-like the pro-Axis militants used in the phony spy charge. Tom

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    1. Tom.
      based in your comments it’s obvious you haven’t read either Devine’s book or mine. Devine came back to the airfield LATER, even though he knew it was off limits. He saw the plane both up close and flying overhead, according to his narrative in his book, and he also saw the red paint on the leading edges of the wings, as he later stated. Devine never stated he saw the plane in a hangar, but that he was told it was in there. You can throw out Ford’s account, as it’s accuracy is questionable, but many Marines have stated they either saw or knew of the Electra’s discovery and destruction. How you can be so vocal about all this if you have no grasp of the actual account as revealed in the literature?
      Mike

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  23. Tom –
    As Mike stated – Thom came back LATER. If you read Thomas Devine’s book you will see for yourself. I typed from Thomas’s book – pages 38, 39, 40 & 41 or sentences from some of the paragraphs.
    Tom you speak of a look-a-like plane, used by some pro-Axis militants and a phony spy charge. This seems just too unusual or absurd of an idea.

    Vernon – your thoughts are a bit over the top. Cold cocking Mr. White shirt????? I think you have watched too many John Wayne movies over the years. This MACHO mindset is for the movies and not reality. If I went around punching every guy, I didn’t agree with, I would be an absolute BUFFOON.
    None of us were there on Saipan in ’44, so how can we know the mindset of these guys? Elated from VICTORY? saddened by loss?
    disoriented & battle fatigued? GOD only knows what was going on in their minds?

    Your comments are *entertaining to say the least.
    Doug

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  24. Well Doug:
    Put on your ” Imagination” Hat for a moment.

    a. You’re a Marine. A Combat Marine. Fighting an enemy that you have to kill because he doesn’t surrender.

    b. Some guy, on an island that’s in the process of being taken from the Empire of Japan, is wearing a white shirt and tells you something is “Off Limits”.

    You meekly concede to him ?

    I don’t know of a single Marine who would do so. Especially in a combat zone. But a Marine Officer ? I don’t know of any Marine, Officer or otherwise, who would allow themselves to be stonewalled in such a manner. Most would simply shove the guy aside.

    And cold cocking “Mr. White Shirt” would be the least of “Mr White Shirt’s” troubles. Worse things than happen in combat. I know. I’m a combat veteran. And there are many, many documented cases of Soldiers, Marines, Officers and NCO’s of both services, taking matters into their own hands if the situation required it.

    So, back to facts. What was the name of this Marine Officer who conceded to an anonymous man in a white shirt ? Lost to history??

    And Tom Maxwell raises a very valid point regarding the number of windows on the rear fuselage of Earhart’s Electra. A very, very valid point !

    Finally, for the record. The Japanese had purchased an export model of the Lockheed 10. The details on how it was configured, painted, and shipped for export to Japan are unknown. So, Earhart’s Electra may have had a step sister near look alike on Saipan. Who knows ? One must find and excavate the grave of that elusive Electra for proof positive. Until then, the presence of a near look alike Electra cannot be discounted. Mr. Maxwell’s thoughts on it may seem a bit far fetched, but who knows, what with the way the Japanese were from 1937-45 ( Invasion of China to Surrender in Tokyo Bay ). And remember, nothing was far fetched with respect to the Japanese: two man suicide subs/human torpedoes, Balloon bombs launched to target the West Coast, Kamikazes, selected cannibalism with respect to POW’s, etc.

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    1. Vernon,
      Devine was convinced that the “man in the white shirt” was Secretary of the Navy James V. Forrestal, but extensive research strongly indicates that Forrestal wasn’t on Saipan at the time. However, other evidence suggests it might have been James H. Nichols, who we believe but cannot prove was an ONI agent, or it might have been another intelligence operative. Regardless, the Marine officers obviously recognized the man as having authority over the situation at the airfield, or what you suggest they should have done would have occurred. It’s either that or Devine flat-out fabricated the whole incident and was lying through his teeth. I do know that Devine did lie on occasion, but this one he couldn’t have made up, IMO.

      AS for the plane, are you suggesting the Japs took their Electra 10A and painted NR 16020 on the upper and lower wings in order to fool the invading Americans? Why?

      Mike

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  25. Mike:
    We’ll let the “White Shirt Guy” issue die a quiet academic death, as we’ll never know for sure. That is, of course, unless the US Postal Service delivers a letter dated 1945 spilling the beans. They recently DID DELIVER a postcard dated 1945, if I’m not mistaken……. So…ya never know………But it’s not worth ruminating at length over…….

    What I don’t get is Devine, the Army mail clerk, somehow seeing quite a bit and a Marine Corps Officer yielding to a statement from a civilian who did not specifically identify himself. I agree with you that his ( Devine’s) statement could have been fabricated or at least stretched a tad. Could be 50-50…part true…part made up.

    The Japanese in the 1940’s were capable of any illogical, irrational act, just like the North Koreans of today. No…I doubt they would go to the trouble of exact duplication of Earhart’s 10E. Rather, the one they purchased and delivered “may have had” the red/orange “over ocean” paint scheme. Again, we’ll never know unless a color photo of the Japanese Electra turns up ( on EBay?, CraigsList ? Amazon.com ? )

    We’ll all have the absolute answers in the Hereafter !!

    Best Regards ! Great Site !

    Vernon

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    1. Thanks Vernon, much appreciated. I do try my best because this matter is so dear to my heart. In tomorrow’s new post we’ll leave the paranormal and come back to earth with a loud thud, as we focus on some media types with no respect for their own profession.
      Mike

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  26. Mike,
    The pro-Axis militants were concentrated in the Imperial Army. They realized that the US could never be defeated without naval conquest of the entire Pacific. The militants also recognized Yamamoto as the naval tactician that could get the job done. Yamamoto was a moderate who rejected an offensive naval war with the US. He was protected from assignation by a loyal navy. When the opportunity to capture an American flight crew and call it a spy mission presented itself, and because they couldn’t kill off the Admiral and put their own man in his stead, the militant plan to convince Yamamoto that the US was planning offensive war was hatched. But shortly after the plan was underway, Tojo and his pals in the Army realized the propaganda benefits were outweighed by the added scrutiny from the US and would tip off America to their war plans. Tojo plotted secret attack and total war. The spy propaganda plan was aborted. So Amelia was imprisoned permanently and the look-a-like plane was stored in the hanger at Alsito. Eventually Yamamoto, realizing that war was coming, relented and developed his Pearl Harbor plan. And it almost worked; had not the US carrier fleet been out to sea the Pacific war would have been 10 years duration, not four.

    So Mike, I’m not attempting to undermine your particular version of the Saipan theory. Believe the marines that enhance your version. Disbelieve other marines that don’t. But there are numerous scenarios that put AE on Saipan. Disregarding all others in favor of your own and refusing to consider inclusion of others is short sighted. Making Tojo and Axis Japan the villain and FDR and the US heroes will sell a lot more books. Tom

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    1. First of all Tom, until you read my book, your comments are shortsighted. “Look alike-plane”? Now that is truly farfetched! I reject your use of the word “theory,” as nothing that I believe is based on “theory” at all, but on credible witness accounts and much more. Are you aware of the ONI Report and its contents? I would bet not. You are the one engaging in heavy speculation when you tell me about what Tojo was thinking when they got Earhart. We know what happened, the witnesses have told us. We don’t need lectures about what the Japs were thinking, because we know what they did to the fliers on Saipan.

      Finally, you might as well ask me to renounce my Catholic Faith as to advance the outrageous LIE than FDR was the good guy in all this. My focus has always been on the TRUTH, Tom, not selling books! You don’t understand this story half as well as you imagine, at least not yet. You should try reading books that present the truth, rather than engage in unproductive speculation.

      MIke

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      1. Yes, Mike I’ll keep my speculation off your blog. I can see that your interest in the Saipan story goes beyond the Amelia Earhart mystery.
        My speculations here won’t advance the investigation.

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      2. I can’t imagine what you mean when you say my interest “goes beyond” the Earhart “mystery,” Tom, but that’s another word I reject — MYSTERY — because there is no mystery, at least not the way the establishment has sold it for 78 years. These two words, “theory” and “mystery” are how the though police keep the masses ignorant about the big-picture truth in the Earhart case.
        Mike

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