More on Nina Paxton’s compelling Earhart claims

An interested reader recently reminded me about a 1943 letter from Nina Paxton to Walter Winchell, which led me think once again about Nina’s claims, and if, as she so vehemently insisted in more than 100 letters over the years, that she actually heard Amelia Earhart’s distress calls on her radio in her Ashland, Ky., home.  (Boldface emphasis mine throughout.)

In the latter half of my July 30, 2018 post, Did Nina Paxton hear Amelia’s calls for help? “Absolutely,” says longtime researcher Les Kinney,” Kinney introduced us to Ms. Paxton and her fascinating story:

Until her death on Christmas Day, 1970, Nina Paxton told anyone who would listen that Earhart had crash landed in the Marshall Islands.  She tried to remember everything she heard that day.  She began standing vigil over her radio listening to the shortwave band hoping to hear Amelia again.  A few years later, Nina wrote to Rand McNally looking for information on the Marshall Islands.  She developed a guilt complex and believed she hadn’t done enough to save Earhart’s life.  She searched for new memories, words or phrases Amelia might have said on that early July afternoon that might have previously escaped her.  No one seemed to believe her.  In the mid-1940s, she wrote to the Office of Naval Intelligence, Walter Winchell, and the FBI.  Toward the end of her life she corresponded with Fred Goerner, the bestselling author of The Search for Amelia Earhart.  Nina’s letters always carried the same general message: Amelia Earhart landed in the Marshall Islands.

In a letter to Fred Goerner describing her July 3 radio reception, Nina Paxton wrote, “We lost our course yesterday and came up here.  Directly Northeast of a part of Marshall Islands near Mili Atoll.”  (Photo courtesy Les Kinney.)

. . . At about 2 p.m. on July 3, 1937, local time, Nina Paxton heard Amelia Earhart’s distressed voice announce she had gone down in the Marshall Islands.  Nina had no idea where the Marshall Islands were located.  Nor did she know the call sign for Amelia Earhart’s Lockheed Electra wasn’t KHABQ.  After hearing Earhart on her radio, Nina went to the Ashland Police Department and then to a nearby Coast Guard Station to report what she had heard.  They laughed at her and said the call sign for Earhart’s Electra was KHAQQ.  It was for this reason that Nina didn’t tell the local press of Earhart’s distress message until July 9, 1937.  Nina had no idea the call sign for Earhart’s previous plane, a Lockheed Vega, was KHABQ.  A tired, exhausted, worried and emotionally drained Amelia Earhart blurted out her old call sign the day Nina heard the distress message on July 3, 1937.  It would have been an easy thing to do.

None of those who claimed to have heard radio messages from Amelia Earhart were more persistent than Nina Paxton, and this quality alone has lent a certain credibility to her story.   

“The Paxton papers tell us Earhart and Noonan went down in the Marshall Islands,” Les Kinney wrote, adding that “Mars Hills University recently put a few of Nina Paxton’s letters on the internet: http://southernappalachianarchives.org/ /show/4.”  Among Paxton’s early letters on the Mars Hill site was this one to famed newsman Walter Winchell, which included an attachment that was full of provocative information:

The reader I referenced at the top of this blog sent me the 56-page FBI file that was published separately online in March 2011, which offered little of interest except the below 1943 letter — again to Walter Winchell.  (Click on images of all letters for larger view.)

After reading Les Kinney’s presentation of Nina Paxton’s claims, my skepticism about them had lessened considerably, and in closing my July 30, 2018 post, I wrote, “For what it’s worth, I think Nina Paxton’s account could be the most compelling of all these alleged messages, and should be taken seriously at the very least.”  

This has now changed somewhat since I recently came upon another of Nina’s letters, this one to Fred Goerner in August 1968.  Its bizarre content reflects badly on whatever credibility she may have attained through her many letters to various personages, at least in my opinion.  I present it here for your scrutiny, so that you can form your own.  My comments follow.

What are we to make of this weird missive, bordering on incoherence, with its references to hearing Adolf Hitler speak via “Short Wave various times, apparently without his knowledge, before his disappearance” and of the “same intonation etc., as the first lengthy message from Amelia Earhart”?  (Italics mine.)  I don’t know what the “late edition about Hitler” was, and I don’t have the letter she was replying to, but this one is off the charts for strangeness.

Hitler was known for his rabble-rousing speeches, bellowed out to full stadiums and arenas, and broadcast to the masses via radio, so for Nina to hear a few would not have been unusual.  But Nina apparently had inside information as to Hitler’s knowledgeabout whether his speeches were being broadcast via radio — or something else perhaps, who knows? — and these broadcasts occurred before his disappearance, whenever that was, because it’s anyone’s guess what disappearance Nina was referring to. 

If this wasn’t far enough off the wall, her next declamation surely was, as she then informed Goerner that Hitler’s speeches she heard on “Short Wave” were of the “same intonation etc. as the first lengthy message from Amelia Earhart.”  Whatever that meant to Nina, it escapes me and probably most readers who lack her special insights. 

The dead body of Benito Mussolini (second from left) next to his mistress Claretta Petacci and those of other executed fascists, on display in Milan on April 29, 1945, in Piazzale Loreto, the same place that the fascists had displayed the bodies of fifteen Milanese civilians a year earlier after executing them in retaliation for resistance activity.   The bodies, from left to right, are: General Giuseppe Gelormini, Benito Mussolini, Claretta Petacci, Alessandro Pavolini, Achille Starace.  Photo by Vincenzo Carrese.

Nina then jumps to Hitler’s Axis buddy Benito Mussolini, whose death she claims she heard reported via her magic radio by unknown persons on an unidentified station:  We have just shot Mussolini, Madame, and eight co-patriots and that this had happened just twenty minutes ago.”  Next, Nina hears the unidentified culprits announce, “We are going to get Hitler.  Perhaps it will take forty-eight hours.  WE ARE GOING TO GET HIM.”

From William L. Shirer’s classic 1960 reference, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, we see that:

On the afternoon of 29 April, Hitler learned that his ally, Benito Mussolini, had been executed by Italian partisans.  The bodies of Mussolini and his mistress, Clara Petacci, had been strung up by their heels.  The corpses were later cut down and thrown into the gutter, where they were mocked by Italian dissidents.  These events may have strengthened Hitler’s resolve not to allow himself or his wife to be made a “spectacle” of, as he had earlier recorded in his testament.

Hitler committed suicide the next day, Aug. 30, 1945, in his Berlin bunker, a fact that was widely reported and has been disputed only by a few true fringe types, including the History Channel and its failed “Hunting Hitler” series, so the timing of the events Nina claimed she heard reported was accurate, if nothing else.  The rest is just too much for me to buy.   

Out of left field and after a brief comment about Thomas E. Devine’s gravesite beliefs, Nina then tells Goerner that at some time after the war ended,she saw a photo of a displaced woman in Germany,who, she wrote, if the person was not Amelia Earhart, she bore an identical twin likeness to the Flyer   This simply doesn’t wash after Nina’s years of insisting Earhart came down in the Marshalls.

Finally, we have Nina’s signature block, in which she types “Nina L.M. Patton” (Italics mine).  This letterhead is similar to another of her letters to Goerner, and in the same stylized font that I can’t identify, is “Mrs. C.B. Paxton,” which can be found in other Paxton letters I have.  This must reference her married name; Les Kinney can probably confirm that.  I don’t know about you, but to me, misspelling your name in a serious letter like this one is very bad sign, and the “t” is not next to the “x” on typewriters keyboards, not in 1968 or any other time that I’m aware of.

Thomas E. Devine on Saipan in 1963.  Devine found the gravesite that he was shown in 1945 by an unidentified Okinawan woman, but didn’t trust Fred Goerner enough to share the discovery with him.  Devine never returned to Saipan as he planned to do in 1963, and his decision to keep the gravesite information to himself was one of the worst he ever made.  (Photo by Fred Goerner, courtesy Lance Goerner.)

This eerie, disjointed letter, introducing several unrelated subjects in an incoherent stream of consciousness making little sense with the exception a brief reference to Devine, which she could have easily seen in Goerner’s The Search for Amelia Earhart (1966), has eroded my confidence in Nina Paxton’s claims.  By itself, it cannot ruin or cancel all she had written previously, though it pushes one’s tolerance and makes one wonder. 

In an earlier letter to Goerner, dated July 22, 1968, Nina wrote, “The first SOS message was heard on July 3, 1937, in which Miss Earhart stated, ‘We lost our course yesterday and came up here.  Directly Northeast of a part of Marshall Islands near Mili Atoll.’ ”

I’ll leave Nina Paxton to the readers of this blog, including her most vocal advocate, Les Kinney, to sort out. I can’t do much more than this.

A 622-page collection of Earhart documents was published in 2010 by BACM Research/PaperlessArchives.com, which contains a “FBI/Navy/State Dept. Files and other material, including the 1943 Paxton-Winchell letter above.  These files can be downloaded for a small fee, and I’ve done so -better late than never — and found very little that I didn’t already have through other means over the years.

Among the BACM material you can find: “Elanor [sic] Roosevelt-Earhart, Amelia Correspondences, 1933-1936; Radio Log of Amelia Earhart’s Last Communication; Navy – Report of Earhart Search by U.S. Navy and U.S. Coast Guard 2-18 July 1937; Navy – Report of Earhart Search U.S.S. Lexington July 1937; and 125 pages of State Department files.” 

You can also find an extensive discussion of the significant post-loss messages in the three posts I wrote on this subject in 2014:

Earhart’s “post-loss messages”: Real or fantasy? published April 30, 2014, followed by Experts weigh in on Earhart’s ‘post-loss’ messages” two weeks later, and finally Amelia Earhart’s alleged ‘Land in sight’ message remains a curiosity, if not a mystery | Amelia Earhart: The Truth at Last on May 27, 2014.

 

22 responses

  1. Good morning Mike,

    As a follow-up to our email exchange from yesterday in anticipation of your latest posting- Yes, this is most curious, and it makes one consider the affect and extent that this may taint or spoil Ms. Paxton’s previous correspondence and intent.

    Have a fine Sunday, take good care and best to all.

    Phil

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  2. A shame she discredited herself and her claims of hearing Earhart, but at least she was not alone as Mike has cited several others in his book. But in the end, if we do not believe Earhart and Noonan crash into the sea off Howland Island, why would he not send out distress calls after landing off Barre island? I am not enough o a technical expert to back this claim up as it has been debated on this forum many times. I guess I choose to believe that in a frantic effort, she did…as uneducated and naive as that may sound.

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  3. Nina’s earliest accounts seem very creditable based on her references to Mili/Marshall Is. etc; her letter to Fred 30+ years later (she was much older) regarding Hitler/Moussolini maybe not so much. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

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  4. “The captain is over by the plane.” How would AE be broadcasting if she is not near the plane?

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    1. Mr. Blake Baxter, is that the best you can argue? cherry-picking an innocuous comment that might have been poorly constructed by Nina. That’s classic Ric Gillespie. By the way, that same line was used by Ric Gillespie in one of our discussions. He also argued that Amelia never referred to Noonan as “Captain” I pointed out she did on several occasions and gave him sourced examples. Blake Baxter, you’re not Ric, are you?

      Nina wrote up from notes. It’s my guess she meant the captain was in the plane, or something like that. I suggest you read my lengthy thoughts on Nina Paxton in this blog. I’d welcome your comments.

      FYI, prior to her first attempt to circle the globe, Amelia told the press she had a radio capable of being removed from the plane and, with an antenna thrown up could operate it in case she went down – obviously by battery power. There isn’t any indication she carried such a transmitter but I’m throwing it out there.

      Les Kinney

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      1. Les,

        Sorry that a simple and obvious question seems to challenge your cherished beliefs. I was simply looking for some explanation for something that would seem to be impossible given my passing knowledge of the AE flight and the aircraft.

        Quite frankly the entire letter is quite amazing. Yes, her identifying AE as down in the Marshalls is very supportive of your views. However, I also find it strange that AE, who by all accounts did not communicate much at any point, suddenly became chatty Cathy after her rough landing and that no one else in the world could hear these extended broadcasts.

        Of course, you write off inconsistencies to the lady being busy. Well, most radio operators I have known are pretty detailed people and would not simply insert things into a message (typos aside) that weren’t transmitted.

        One other question that I had which maybe one of you can answer was the use of the term “the Captain” for FN. Was AE in the habit of referring to FN as the Captain? If so, then that would be another plus for your position.

        I have served on several juries in my lifetime and I continue to be intrigued by these discussions. If I had to render a verdict I would lean towards them being down in the Marshalls and captured by the Japanese, but that does not mean that I do not question inconsistencies in the evidence.

        Blake

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      2. Blake, Nina was not a radio operator, just a woman who liked to listen to short-wave reception. As to Amelia being “Chatty Cathy.” I would have been too. As it has been mentioned over and over, radio skips are unpredictable and do happen with regularity. As a kid in northern Michigan, I remember listening to short wave reception from Asia coming and going from Asia quite a bit.

        I have a friend who served in the DMZ in Korea around 1969. He was leading a small unit on routine patrol and talking on a back-carried portable radio to the command post a mile or so away. Suddenly, a message came in clearly as can be asking for an artillery strike with the coordinates given. He replied what are you talking about. It turned out he was talking to. an Army unit engaged in some sort of firefight in Viet Nam.

        Les Kinney

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      3. Les,

        Thanks for the reply. Yes, I am also an old man and originally from Pittsburgh that served 35 years in the military. Many times, I could hear hometown KDKA at different locations around the country especially after local channels switched to low power or went off air. Still, it tended to be intermittent many times. Of course, that was AM radio of the 1960’s, not 1930’s. It would be useful to know what Nina actually scribbled on the day of the messages instead of later writings.

        Nevertheless, it still seems strange that AE would be squawking as much as she did post-landing and nary a word was heard from her before the crash landing. That is one thing that has always bothered me about the flight to the Marshalls. They could hear her on approach to Howland, but so little once she detoured from the flight plan. Perhaps because she had descended from cruising altitude to 1,000 feet to try to spot that speck of an island from the shadows of clouds? Much about the flight and her decisions/actions still seem strange.

        Also, never heard from the experts here on whether FN was referred to by AE as “the captain”. Again, if there is record of that usage by AE then it might bolster the credibility (unless she used it a lot – like in newsreels).

        Regards,

        Blake

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      4. Blake,
        I identify with your take on Amelia’s behavior. To me, it surpasses strange, I can’t believe someone with her intelligence would behave the way it is described when her life depended on her making sensible decisions.

        Although I am an armchair speculator with no standing in the the AE investigation cadre that required any footwork, I do try to make intelligent and reasoned points often disagreeing with the conventional narrative of this blog. Generally, my points are not addressed, especially if they inconveniently stray from the established script. I often feel like I am talking to myself. I appreciate that Mike at least posts my meanderings.

        My experience with my small Hallicrafters SW radio in the 50s was largely boredom as most chats amongst hams were in Morse Code. At 12 years old, I had no motivation to learn Morse, so I seldom had any idea where these hams were. With an analog tuning dial, I would have no practical way to tune into 3105 or 6210 kc where her messages were. I can’t conceive that a young lady would have any practical method on her 1937 Philco radio to do it either. I would think you would need your own crystal controlled receiver.

        So why do we give any credit to Paxton where we don’t to Betty Klenck? Yes, I read what she typed later or much later. She didn’t say she landed on Mili, just landed in Marshalls. In fact she cites 3 small islands near Knox I. It makes no sense that Amelia and the Captain would remain silent on the radio while they were supposedly lost and then, once they ditched/crashed their plane, it suddenly occurred to them maybe they ought to send a distress call after all, when it was way too late to be heard and when whatever radio(s) they had would probably not function. If you want to believe this fanciful story, more power to you, but I think the truth lies elsewhere.

        Sincerely,
        David

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  5. I’d hate to see TIGHAR or anyone else use Mike’s latest post as cannon fodder to destroy Nina Paxton’s credibility. So, a pre-emptive response is in order. Mike’s journalistic background sometimes makes him more of a skeptic than me but that’s a good thing.

    But getting back to Nina, let me be clear: she was no basket case; she wasn’t incoherent, she hadn’t lost it. Undoubtedly, Nina could have clarified some of her thoughts before putting them on paper but we’re all guilty of that. Some of her letters are full of typos, but she was a busy lady with a million things on her mind, and lest we forget, she was using a typewriter. At the time, she was raising a five-year-old stepson while working full-time. Thirty-one years later, when she typed “Patton” in her letter to Goerner, she was still working full-time and simply forgot to head to the “x” on the typewriter and banged out a couple of “t’s – or, maybe at that moment, she had Patton in her thoughts. Like a lot of her letters, she often didn’t proofread. In any case, she signed the Goerner letter correctly. Sometimes, she signed as Nina L.M. Paxton (Nina Llyr Margaret Paxton); sometimes, she used Mrs. C.B. Paxton ( Mrs. Claude B. Paxton).

    Nina was no dummy. She was a registered nurse, well-read, with a stellar professional reputation. In July 1937, her husband was the local manager for the Railroad Express Agency. At the time she heard Amelia’s radio messages, she lived in a neighborhood of almost identical two-story houses raised up from the street, a few blocks from the Ohio River in Ashland, Kentucky. The radio was in the living room. Piping from the basement up the exterior side of the house on the living room side ends near the roof. Any attached wiring running to the roof would have made for an excellent antenna system.

    Nina did have a “magic” radio of sorts, a Philco model I was fortunate enough to identify from some of her other correspondence that I found in Ashland. It wasn’t much different than other large short-wave radio models the company manufactured in the 1930s. It had all the necessary bands, but it isn’t the same radio pictured in this current blog, which was taken for a feature story Nina wrote for the Louisville Courier-Journal in the early sixties.

    Ashland, now a decaying coal town, sits in a bowl like some sort of giant parabolic dish as the Ohio River meanders slightly northward. On my visit there, I was told that years ago, it was a great place to pick up stray radio signals before all the current radio interference. This oddity was also mentioned in Nina’s correspondence with friends. For some reason, the house was in a rare location, ideal for picking up signals bouncing off the ionosphere – even from small transmitters thousands of miles away. Not always, of course, but Nina wrote she heard enough interesting talk to keep herself entertained while doing household chores.

    During my research, I found a similar place with unusual reception properties. At the beginning of hostilities in Europe during WWII, a family on a small farm in New England thought they were hearing transmissions between German tanks. The Army Signal Corps (SIG) came to investigate. The SIG team was shocked. They heard so much message traffic, even from walkie-talkie conversations on the European battlefield, that they asked the family to relocate. Wires were strung over the acreage and SIG stayed until the war concluded.

    That leads me to my next point. Nina, too, was hearing all this weird traffic. A lot of people heard Hitler’s speeches, but she was able to pick up partisan radio traffic leading up to Mussolini’s death. There’s more: she later told ONI of hearing local message traffic from the Pacific War. Those reports caught the attention of the Navy’s top-secret communication department.

    As for Thomas Devine, she wrote Goerner after seeing him mentioned in one of his featured articles pumping, “In Search of Amelia Earhart.” Unlike Mike, I don’t have an issue with her mentioning seeing an Amelia Earhart look-alike picture from Germany. Why not? I’ll bet a few could pass for her double then and still today. Remember, Amelia was German and could speak German. Over the years, Nina put much of her energy into trying to convince the government Amelia had landed safely in the Marshall Islands; I could see her overanalyzing that maybe the Japanese had sent her to Germany. Frankly, the idea of Amelia Earhart being used as a pawn is not out of the realm of possibility. I’m always doing it; Nina was just thinking out of the box – nothing wrong with that. For that matter, so has this blog and a million others interested in her disappearance.

    There’s so much about Nina Paxton that needs to be told, I can’t put it all in my book. From the day she first heard Amelia’s voice coming out of her Philco speakers, it was so clear, she said, it was as if she was in the living room. Until Nina passed away, she was on a quest to convince anyone willing to listen that Amelia Earhart had not crashed and sank. I really believe it would make a great movie.

    Getting back on point, Nina’s main tenant can’t be refuted. On a warm Saturday afternoon, in her living room, around 2 p.m. on July 3, 1937, she heard Amelia Earhart say she had gone down in the Marshall Islands, more specifically Mili – or as Nina heard it – Mulgrave Atoll. She wouldn’t have known unless she studied English map mapping that Mulgrave was the name English mapmakers gave to Mili Atoll. A large map that Fred Noonan must have carried. At one time, he had worked on several English ships. While listening to Amelia, Nina took extensive notes; unfortunately, she was interrupted for about 30 seconds to tend to her child. There were things Amelia was saying she wished she had heard, she said, but did hear her cry out, “KHABQ, KHABQ.” There is no earthly way Nina Paxton would have known the old call sign of Amelia’s beloved Vega.

    When Nina notified authorities of what she heard, they laughed at her. That wasn’t Amelia’s call sign, they said. But personally, I find her insistence on refusing to admit she was mistaken compelling. It shows assurance what she heard was an honest attempt at conveying what she heard from notes and to the best of her memory. She wasn’t embarrassed nor let her ego get in the way of truth. Sadly, though, it was the reason she waited six days to tell the Ashland Daily Independent. They didn’t take her seriously, either. In a short article on the ninth, they left out much of what she told them and replaced “KHABQ” with “KHAQQ.”

    Les Kinney

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    1. Les,

      Thanks for your well-researched reply, which puts a much better light on Nina’s letter to Goerner. Her unique radio reception capabilities in Ashland would explain her claims of hearing Hitler and those who announced they had shot Mussolini. Only someone well versed in Nina Paxton’s background would be able to furnish all these details. If Nina had been just a bit more aware of what she was writing, she might have been able to do avoid putting lay readers like myself in such attitudes of skepticism and disbelief. The singularly unique nature of her story is in itself slightly unbelievable and amazing.

      Thanks again for clarifying this matter for all of us.

      MIke

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    2. William H. Trail | Reply

      Les,

      Well stated, sir!

      All best,

      William

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  6. With all due respect, upon focusing my laser sharp mind on her letters, I come up with inconsistencies galore. Maybe I’m being mean, but her garbled descriptions bring to mind a woman poring over an outdated and inaccurate world atlas with an adult beverage at hand. I tried to figure out what she was talking about. She does not say Earhart landed on Mili Atoll, but does say “on a small island adjoining Knox.” Then “133 acres”. Now Knox itself is about 240 acres, It has 3 small adjoining islets, and if Knox is 240, I doubt they are as big as 133 acres, but I’m sure 1937 maps were not that accurate. So she could have landed on one of those small islets, and if she was approaching from the SE wouldn’t she land on Knox instead of flying onward to Mili? This part makes some sense, did anybody ever search those “small islands?”

    The part that sounds wrong is that she heard Miss Earhart’s name for the last time Aug. 10 which sounds highly unlikely wherever she was. Certainly not on a small island adjoining Knox. And then still heard her signal after that.

    Of course the big inconsistency (of Amelia, not Paxton) is why did she fly off with no trailing antenna which cut her radio signal strength from 50 watts down to 0.5 watts, ensuring that no one would hear her messages? Then she keeps quiet about getting lost, does not indicate where she thinks they might be or where they might head to, and then, instead of calling out frantically they are about to ditch the plane on whatever island while they still have a working radio, however weak, they wait until they are down. Maybe The Captain thought this was a good idea, seeing as how this would about guarantee no one would hear them except Nina. Maybe it was only when they found themselves crashed on a deserted atoll it occurred to Amelia to become Chatty Cathy and announce “Houston we have a problem.”

    Incidentally, I doubt they had a portable radio transmitter. Here is what I found.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=portable+radio+transmitters+in+1937&rlz=1CAVARX_enUS967&oq=portable+radio+transmitters+in+1937&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigAdIBCTUwMDY3ajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    And yet, her description of the landing area seems just a little too accurate to be concocted by some yokel from Kentucky. So I don’t know. It just doesn’t add up.

    Sincerely,
    David

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    1. David:
      Throughout the rest of her life, Nina tried to make sense of the message she heard on July 3, 1937. Her 1943 letter and others she later wrote attempted to fill in the blanks. Although, from my previous profession, I know it’s best to rely on the earlier statements rather than allow the witness (Nina Paxton) to take on the role of an investigator.

      The first time Nina mentioned “123 acres” was in a letter to Mrs. Noonan on July 22, 1937, and she is clearly referring to a message she heard at a later date and believed it was from an “amateur,” meaning an amateur radio operator. During those first days of the search, all the newspapers referred to anyone other than the government hearing radio transmissions as “amateurs.” Nina mentioned these amateurs in later correspondence that summer.

      Nina’s expanded notes (taken from her original notes) later refer to Knox Island and Klee Passage. She must have heard these snippets that afternoon while attending to her child and scratched the names on a piece of paper. At the end of the month, she wrote to Putnam again and told him she heard Amelia saying they were very close to “Marshall Island.” Note: that is without the “s. At the time, she knew nothing of this “Marshall Island.” The fact that she had no idea of the geography of this part of the world lends credibility to her statements.

      She repeated Marshal Island in the singular in another letter to Putnam a week later. Amelia “mentioned three little islands,” she said, and asked Putnam to find out if there was such an island named “Marshall.” She then used the notes she had misplaced and wrote Amelia had said, “We missed our course and came up here near Marshall Island.”

      Unfortunately, in the two separate batches of Paxton material, I found, I never came across that original piece of scratch paper she used to scribble notes that Saturday afternoon, although she mentions more than once transcribing those notes soon after.
      Nina most definitely could have heard Amelia’s name mentioned over her radio on August 10. The Gilberts were then being searched by the Brits and although the Navy search had been called off, there still would have been a lot of focus on her disappearance.

      As to the portable radio I mentioned elsewhere in this thread, Amelia told newsmen in March that she had the capability of using a radio removed from the plane in case of an emergency. It’s doubtful that ever happened, nor is there evidence she had such a radio on her last flight.

      Les Kinney

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  7. Les Kinney said; “… She repeated Marshal Island in the singular in another letter to Putnam a week later. Amelia “mentioned three little islands,” she said, and asked Putnam to find out if there was such an island named “Marshall.” She then used the notes she had misplaced and wrote Amelia had said, “We missed our course and came up here near Marshall Island.”

    Unfortunately, in the two separate batches of Paxton material, I found, I never came across that original piece of scratch paper she used to scribble notes that Saturday afternoon, although she mentions more than once transcribing those notes soon after….”

    I feel that Nina’s “transcription” of her original handwritten notes may be the typed and folded paper seen in the original post above. It appears with typographical errors, and includes her impressions or interpretations of what she believed she heard, along with handwritten corrections or added notes. Unfortunately, we do not know the exact date of when she made this transcription, but it was obviously after 10 August 1937.

    Because she titled it “The Call of a Courageous Lady”, it might have been intended for publication by a newspaper or magazine.

    While Nina referred in the singular to “Marshall Island” in early letters to Putnam, she refers in plural to “Marshall Islands” in her titled transcription of her notes.

    If she did indeed hear Amelia speaking via HF radio on 3 July 1937, it would indicate that Amelia knew pretty accurately where she was, and had headed there intentionally after missing Howland Island. This would tend to disprove theories that they were completely lost.

    The information about Fred Noonan being injured in the landing, as heard by Nina on 3 July 1937, seems to match later accounts such as that of the Marshall Islander who claimed to have tended to an American man’s injuries at Jaluit. It is also mentioned by others who reported hearing post crash broadcasts.

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  8. William H. Trail | Reply

    Greetings to All:

    When looking at the myriad events, large and small, that comprise the whole of the “disappearance” of AE and FN, we must always consider everything in the context of the “…she disregarded all orders…” part of “The Morgenthau Transcript.” As I have said before, it is a stunning admission, and I believe absolutely key to any understanding of what happened. One must consider, why AE was subject to any orders from the government at all, and what were those orders?

    Could one of those disregarded orders of which Morgenthau speaks have been something to the effect of, “After making your last transmission to Itasca and taking up your new course toward the Marshall Islands maintain strict radio silence no matter what happens and follow the plan as briefed”?

    All best,

    William

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  9. David says: “I can’t conceive that a young lady would have any practical method on her 1937 Philco radio to do it either.”

    David, all Nina or anyone else had to do was turn the dial. That’s it!

    Comparing Nina’s account to Betty’s notebook is laughable. Unlike Nina and anyone else hearing Amelia’s cry for help. Betty heard them for a long time. But instead of telling listeners where she was at, Betty heard Amelia tell George to get her briefcase out of the closet, arguments between the castaways, and other silly things. By the way. Gillespie has never released the notebook for inspection.

    As to your, and other’s question to their location, Fred would only have had an opportunity to get a fix on their location that first evening after they landed on the reef.

    Believe me, injured or not that’s the first thing he would have done. In ten minutes, he would have (and did) get a pretty accurate fix, probably within 20 miles. I say 20 miles and not three or four because it’s likey they had no detailed charts of the Marshalls and would have used that big map of the Pacific he and Amelia held up for photographers in Miami that we often see in pictures today. Thus, the reason Knox Island and Klee passage are mentioned.

    I believe (without evidence) after failng to find Howland lsland and like what most conducting the search at the time (except for Tighar desperately supporting their own thesis) believed, they were in the clouds NW of Howland, but didn’t know where they were.

    Because they believed they were low on gas, they headed toward the Gilberts where Amelia previously told Gene Vidal she would try to find a nice beach. Fred knew from 18 flights across the central Pacific, that the Marshalls were out there too. Fred certainly would have remembered what he and Almon Gray both knew: the Japanese had a radio station at Jaluit. Whether they planned on heading to the Gilberts or not, getting a fix on Jaluit radio would give them a track they needed to follow. If they decided to follow the beam it
    would bring them within sighting distance of Mili. Believing they were running on fumes they landed at Mili or what Nina heard, Mulgrave.

    Why they never continuously broadcast while lost brings us to the spy scenario. I don’t believe they were on a “look see” mission, but it’s a possibility and it would have been a private request of FDR, not the Navy.

    David, regardless of whether they were having difficulty setting their frequency channels to broadcast or they didn’t want anyone to get a fix on them, Fred didn’t have a way to get a celestial fix in the daytime.

    I lean towards them forgetting what selector switches needed to be aligned. It was a little complicated. They had little prior practice and simply thought they were broadcasting. I tend to believe they fiddled with the switches and was the reason they picked up the Itasca that one time.

    Once they landed at Mili, they had time to analyze the situation and get the radio operating.

    Les Kinney

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  10. Richard, she was planning on writing a missive and eventually did. The page included was one of several roughs she had. Almost all were the same and she included some of her rough notes on those pages.

    I agree, when the landed and even before taking a celestial fix that evening, they must have been aware they were in the Marshalls. As you know Richard, there were other post loss amateurs that heard something about Fred’s injury

    Les Kinney

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  11. The July 12, 1937 Time magazine article is somewhat uncomplimentary referring to Amelia, stating “the world’s No. 1 aviatrix cracked up in Hawaii in her first try”, and (referring to the Lae to Howland leg) “With typical stunt flyer’s negligence, Miss Earhart did not bother to reveal her position along the way”.

    https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,788171,00.html

    Another possible explantion regarding the “near the plane” reference; if Amelia was sitting in the cockpit and Fred was outside of the airplane, it would be reasonable to state that he was not “right here with me” and is in fact “near” the plane.

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    1. Tom,

      The article was not very complimentary at all. I agree with your explanation regarding the “near the plane” reference. The article’s account of Putnam’s meeting with Beatrice Noonan provides an interesting insight. To be fair, GP was certainly under great stress himself. However, it is the stressful times and challenging situations in which our true natures and character are measured.

      All best,

      William

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  12. A new lead from Tighar; Ric says an underwater photo from 2009 shows an engine cowling from the Electra. Unbelievable.

    “There is an object in the photo that appears to be a Lockheed Electra engine cowling,” Ric Gillespie, executive director of the International Group for Historic Aircraft Recovery, told the outlet.

    https://nypost.com/2023/09/02/amelia-earhart-possible-breakthrough-reportedly-emerges/

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    1. Post on this garbage coming up, Tom. Thanks.

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